What You Call a Food Is More Important Than What's in It

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klaos
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Re: Because it says so, that's why!
klaos   11/21/2014 5:00:30 AM
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Extremely interesting study, cmophil! Thanks for posting the link and correcting it.

The conclusion of the article is off-base I think. Calorie intake and expenditure is the only measure of whether you'll gain or lose weight. It's simple chemistry. 

However, what you eat will determine how much calories you consume, and whether you exercise. You can only eat so much, and if you fill up on fruits and vegetables you'll eat less fried food. 

And I also disagree with the article's conclusion that some foods are bad. I agree with the food industry position that there's no such thing as bad food. Everything in moderation is fine -- and indeed, the American notion that some foods are ee-vial, and should be shunned, and you're a bad person if you eat ice cream -- that's just ridiculous. It's the flip side of our bad eating habits, it is no different than living entirely on chips and friend food. 

A person should have a plate of ice cream occasionally, and enjoy it, and not feel guilty about it. 

OTOH, a consumer pubic that eats french fries and ice cream occasionally -- but only occasionally -- might not be sufficient to keep the processed foods industry in business. 

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Sorry about that. I updated it.

I agree with you. I did the same to get back INTO shape but I focused more on the things I ate (ie ignored sugars, etc) which I think is a big factor.

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cmophil - Link broken, I'm afraid. 

I'm a big fan of calorie-counting; I lost 90 pounds that way. 

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I found some info from a Harvard study that sorta backs my claim. Figured it can't hurt to post:


Still Counting Calories? Your Weight-Loss Plan May Be Outdated


 

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Ariella   7/11/2011 12:24:03 PM
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Logically, one would think so. However, studies indicate otherwise. Here's a quote from http://hive.slate.com/hive/time-to-trim/article/whos-counting that explains why the federal law that extends what New York has been doing to all restauarants with 20 or more outlets in 2011 will likely not have that much impact:

Since 2008, chain restaurants in the city have had to post calorie information. In two studies, researchers at New York University compared the food choices of low-income children and adults from Newark, N.J. (where calories aren't posted) to the food choices of low-income New Yorkers. Although posting calorie counts raised consumer awareness somewhat, the researchers found that the measure had virtually no effect on what the New Yorkers actually purchased. Most distressingly, kids in New York were still eating as many calories as before. A third study looking at New York City and a fourth out of Seattle likewise found that little good came of posting calorie counts.

The ineffectiveness of similar regulations tells the same story. Since the mid-1990s, we've made food manufacturers print nutrition information, including calorie counts, on packaged foods. Time and again, however, studies show that few people notice nutritional information and even fewer use it effectively. As the FDA lamented in a 2004 report, "It may be that consumers do not take advantage of the available information on the food label to control their weight, perhaps because they do not appreciate how the information could be used for weight management purposes or perhaps because they find it too hard to apply the available information to such purposes."


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impactnow   7/11/2011 1:28:34 AM
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As the labeling of food increases some of the problems may become more prevalent. I like the new calories indicated on signs at places like Panera, it makes healthy ordering much easier. Some food on restaurant menus are deceiving some of those appetizers can pack a punch totaling over a 1000 calories ala bloomin onion at Outback. Would anyone order it  if it said this half your intake for the day?

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Ariella   7/8/2011 3:55:36 PM
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You're right, Mitch, it does vary a great deal. One time my husband and I went out to a more upscale restaurant and were shocked at the tiny size of the servings. They were so small that you had to order courses because an entree alone would not have amounted to what a person usually eats in a meal. In contrast, at a typical deli, the main dish is more than enough, and at some Chinese place, 2 people could split a dish and not feel a need to order more.

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Mitch Wagner   7/8/2011 2:58:17 PM
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Ariella, portion size is a problem at restaurants. You never know how much you're going to get. Some places sell you a mountain of food, other places give you a tiny little bit. 

Rockbottom Brewery's nachos appetizer is itself a dinner for two. 

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Ariella   7/8/2011 1:34:45 PM
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cmophil, I think you can do that with cars, too. You can start with the basic model, then suggest tinted glass, power locks, power seats, built in entertainment system, etc., etc., until you've added on a few thousand dollars in options. 

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