Google Needs to Release Real Usage Numbers for Google+

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Quantity vs Quality
nasimson   4/15/2012 10:04:16 AM
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Google should realize that it's the quality that matters and which will in turn lead to quantity, but all in its due time. Google+ usage numbers might be small, as most users are unique since all google services are integrated - unlike facebook where every other user has 2-3 active accounts. Google+ is still evolving, the recent redesign being the major one, and it'll take some time for Google+ to show where exactly it's going. So far the growth has been promising, and the new look seems better poised from the marketing angle. One area still lacking though is a better mobile app for Google+ and integration with other mobile apps.

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Re: Quantity vs Quality
cmophil   4/15/2012 5:51:48 PM
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Speaking of their rededing:

Don't you think it look eerily similar to Facebook's?

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Re: Quantity vs Quality
nasimson   4/17/2012 1:30:28 PM
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@cmophil, Yes! My first impression was the same. And I hated it. It's good to see more options and buttons, but they don't necessarily have to go the facebook way. And if they feel compelled to take on that look, I think their vision is seriously flawed.

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cmophil   4/17/2012 4:26:00 PM
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They do say "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery"

Maybe their goal is to flatter FB to the point where they don't consider them true competitors. OR FB will take the opposite approach and fight back in other ways.

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nasimson   4/18/2012 2:04:32 AM
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@cmophil: Interesting point! May be they're trying to detrack FB from their path ;-)

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cmophil   4/22/2012 5:15:36 PM
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nasimson,

My naiive side thinks that's a good choice but I doubt that it's actually the case!

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Re: Quantity vs Quality
nasimson   4/25/2012 5:01:01 AM
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Mitch/cmophil: Agreed. Recent sales figures show blackberry dying very soon. Growth of Google+ though stable can show acceleration or decceleration based on how effectively and innovatively they make use of the new technologies and integrative features.

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Mitch Wagner   4/16/2012 12:19:07 AM
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@nasimon - Their iPhone and Android apps are pretty good. Their iPad support is awful, however. I wonder how much that will hurt them?

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nasimson   4/17/2012 1:32:45 PM
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@Mitch! I tried it on blackberry and that was awful. I had hoped they will pay as much attention to the mobile interface as they do to the desktop version, but that does not seem to be the case.

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Mitch Wagner   4/17/2012 4:28:19 PM
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nasimon - Yeah, remember when I said the iPhone app was good? I must have been thinking of something else. In fact, it's not very good at all. It freezes up when I try to enter a text update. 

I am enthusiastic about Google+, but it baffles me how they could launch a social platform in 2011 without great iOS support. I suspect the reason is that Google views iOS as competitive, but the relationship is actually more complicated than that. 

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nasimson   4/18/2012 2:03:11 AM
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@Mitch: I agree. It just amazes me that Google, with its own phone and all, did not emphasize on releasing a mobile app alongside the Google+ redesign release. Any idea when and what they have planned in this regard?

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Mitch Wagner   4/18/2012 10:48:54 AM
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Nope, I have no inside Google+ information. 

The half-official story is that they were overwhelmed by demand for Google+, which is why the service is so incomplete in many important ways. I say it's half-official because Google has said they were surprised by the demand, but the rest is not from them. 

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sohaibmasood   4/18/2012 3:14:43 PM
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That doesn't sound very professional of Google. Releasing a semi cooked product in the market and later saying that they were surprises by the demand. I don't buy it, there will be other reasons I'm not sure what they will be. But they will be much more complex than unanticipated demand. 

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Mitch Wagner   4/18/2012 8:37:01 PM
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@sohaibmasood - Google Plus appears to be two parts: One is the part that we think of when we think of Google Plus: The content that lives at plus.google.com. 

Another part is the identity sharing between multiple Google services that previously ran independently. 

My sense is that Google prioritized the identity sharing, and was surprised by demand on plus.google.com. 

And of course Google has a history of releasing products to the public while they're still in test mode. The public beta for Gmail seemed to last forever. But most of Google's public betas seem more fully baked than plus.google.com. 

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nasimson   4/19/2012 1:30:56 AM
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I agree with Sohaib. Either their projections weren't realistic or the surprise element signifies they weren't yet ready for the jump. In either case, there's an immensely growing demand from mobile users, and ignoring them I guess will reflect adversely on the usage statistics.

Giving identity sharing preference was a right move though, as that can make a difference. Blackberry has already integrated its BBM with facebook, twitter and foursquare. Google+ cannot afford to lag behind in interoperability.

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Mitch Wagner   4/19/2012 3:07:31 PM
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@nasimon - BlackBerry is dead. Google doesn't have to worry about competing with them. 

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nasimson   5/20/2012 11:03:06 PM
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@ Mitch:

I recently attended BlackBerry World 2012 conference in Orlando. The keynote speech was by RIM's CEO. He introduced BlackBerry 10. It had some cool features. But this was still not a game changer. So I am afraid I dont have an option but to agree with you here.

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sohaibmasood   4/19/2012 3:05:24 PM
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Identity sharing makes much more sense.

And yes, I agree Google has a history of releasing products into the public during the test mode. However, to me they seem to be much more stable as compared to the other software/products being released in test mode. 

 

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Cautionary tale
Mitch Wagner   4/16/2012 1:54:14 PM
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You know who used to handwave about usage stats like Google is now doing?

Second Life.

For more than a year, they counted every person who created an account as a user, even if that person never logged in. When this became widespread knowledge, the Second Life brand suffered damage from which it never recovered. 


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kicheko   4/16/2012 4:30:08 PM
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I haven't interacted with the new design for Google+, but hopefully it changes the feel of it.

In the past, one of the weaknesses of Google+ was that it didn't feel like a social place. Unless you were attending a hangout, which is not something you get to have everyday. As compared to a site like facebook, which whenever you check in you can feel the presence of people. Google+ feels like being alone in the office, unless someone visits you.

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Mitch Wagner   4/17/2012 10:49:29 AM
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Interesting, kicheko. Why do you think Google+ feels so empty?

Facebook seems crowded with people and they're all using Farmville. Heh. 

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nasimson   4/17/2012 1:37:29 PM
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@Kicheko/Mitch: I remember when I first joined facebook some 6 years back, it felt the same like Kicheko feels now. I'm sure Google+ will reach faster where facebook took years to reach. However, I wouldn't like Google+ to go the facebook way, as I certainly don't need another facebook - I already have facebook.

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kicheko   4/17/2012 2:21:05 PM
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Mitch - For example you rarely see people online at the same time except in a hangout, and the fact that G+ imports gmail chat list. Posts seem to be removed from each other in terms of time, with each post earning one or two comments ....aside from that is mostly those comical clips throughout the page. The interaction is not easily felt.

Facebook is crowded yes but within the crowd, it is easy to fit in your own comfortable little space with friends.

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Mitch Wagner   4/17/2012 4:29:43 PM
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kicheko - Interesting point about simultaneity. I'd say you're right. I get updates in realtime on Facebook far more often than on Google+. 

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smkinoshita   4/17/2012 10:32:16 AM
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"You know who used to handwave about usage stats like Google is now doing?

Second Life."

Hit the nail on the head there, Mitch.  I'm sure Google thinks they're far bigger and more important than Second Life, but the more they bloat their numbers the less believable they become.

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nasimson   4/17/2012 1:39:28 PM
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Slow and steady is definitely better. Unrealistic projections do not help growth, rather help you reach stagnation faster.



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